[00:00:00] it truly is my wish for everyone to. embrace Ayurveda, it's, it's a huge blessing to have this worldview and to understand yourself to this depth cause it's, um, a very intimate way of living with yourself. You, you learn to decipher these messages that your body is sending you, and you learned how to respond.
[00:00:29] To those me messages to optimize your own wellness mind body.
[00:00:36] Welcome to the science of light podcast. That was a lovely quote from our guests today, who has been on the podcast before. Donna Papania. On Ayurvedic cleansing. So Donna is an Ayurvedic practitioner. I had the wonderful joy of having this conversation with her via Facebook live. It was also on YouTube live. So if you're catching this on YouTube, it's just.
[00:00:57] It's the same thing. Um, now I'm just made it prettier and edited the video and, and cut out some, you know, just little stuff from the live, like. Um, to make it prettier, but if you're catching this on the podcast, we did this as a live. You might be listening to it later. We did this as a live, um,
[00:01:16] When we were running a spring, Ayurvedic cleanse during Navaratri and nine nights of the goddess Durga, which is a, you could hear on my other podcast, the YOGISCOPES podcast, why that's astrologically indicated. If you care, if you don't care or if it's later. This podcast episode. Serves really well to talk about the gut microbiome and how digestion. So we talked in this, in this conversation about how it's more than just you are what you eat Ayurveda,, and now some modern.
[00:01:50] Science and research says it's more than what you eat. It's about how well you're able to digest it and break down and absorb the nutrients from your food. Absorb the messages from the media you consume. All of this stuff and Ayurveda is a very lifestyle science. And so we get into that. We get into what a panchakarma cleanse is. If you want to go back and listen to the past episode with Donna, she gave more of her story, her background, her qualifications, and even more details about an Ayurveda cleanse.
[00:02:20] You could join us. Um, if you're listening to this right, as it drops, you can get the kid from Donna. If you want to join the group cleanse. More details on at the end about the group cleanse. So without further ado, I just want to extend you a warm welcome to the Yogi scopes podcast. I'm your host Rosemary Holbrook.
[00:02:38] I'm a yoga teacher. I'm training to become a yoga therapist. I'm almost there. I've been in this training for like four years. The last one. Um, so here we are anyway. Welcome. Uh, on this podcast, we will explore. The gut microbiome, Iraheta, hormones, how all those things are interrelated. So welcome and enjoy.
[00:02:59] We're live. I suppose folks might join along the way. I'll try to check in for comments, but hey everyone, this is Donna.
[00:03:11] So Donna's been on the podcast before, and if you saw my posts last week about Ayurvedic cleansing, I shared the episode again. It was a while ago. Um, so I'm gonna try not to make this like too much of a repeat of the podcast, but Donna, do you mind just like briefly introducing yourself?
[00:03:29] Sure. Um, I'm very happy to be here. I'd like to start with, so thank you for having me. Uh, it's always fun to to chat with you. Um, I started in, in the land of yoga some, uh, 25 years ago or so, and um, in my yoga teacher training at that point, you know, Ayurveda was just a blip on the radar. For, um, for the yoga community at that time, but for some reason it blip very loudly at me
[00:04:08] So, um, I dove in 2002, went straight from my first yoga teacher training into studying I Ayurveda with Dr. Vasant Lad in New Mexico. And I went there to do his two year training in-house and I ended up staying 10 years and , uh, called New Mexico home for much longer than I'd intended, but, um, was happy to have that opportunity to really absorb every, uh, every facet of the way that he heals.
[00:04:53] And so I was able to be there with him and study. I've got work behind me from a client I was just working with, so obviously absorbed all of the, the heady material that I could from him. But you know, he's also a very energetic being. So I was able to, um, to steepen that energy for an extended period, which was very beautiful.
[00:05:22] and, uh, I worked in his cleansing department as his personal assistant, and so I took his clients to see him and then translated for them what he was saying and then took them through their, their therapies. I performed some of the therapies. Um, I also taught his yoga curriculum for his students and a a few other classes.
[00:05:50] for the curriculum as well.
[00:05:52] Nice. , can you say more about the cleansing department? So I know it's called Panchakarma said you like assisted with some of the therapies. So can you say more about what Panchakarma is? What are the therapies like? In what ways did you assist? Or like, could people do this at home? Because I know that's like in Vasant Law, he does it now still.
[00:06:14] Um, and he's based outta Asheville. I think the Poncho Karma's still in. New Mexico as far as I know. But you can like go places to do Poncho Karma or you can do it at home. So can you say a little bit more about like, the difference there and what what's happening?
[00:06:28] Yeah, so both are, both are effective for moving the excess dosha out of the body. Um, you would go to a clinic and stay at a clinic for, um, having the treatments performed on you, the oiling massages to, um, have people cook for you. It, it's obviously more spa-like, it's more restful. You're immersed, you're not trying to do the things.
[00:07:02] Um, so that is the benefit. To going in-house.
[00:07:09] And quite honestly, it's not feasible to do that 100% of the time because Ayurveda calls for seasonal cleansing. So for most of us, that's not a reasonable outlet. Um, it's certainly something to try if you can at some point, but it's also. Highly effective to cleanse with guidance at home.
[00:07:34] So you want to understand your property vi you want to understand all of the tools. Um, there's oftentimes a, uh, kind of template for the protocol for most people to go through, but then there's shifting points that need to be manipulated for each person. Um, So that the at home cleanse that, that we're doing together has those aspects.
[00:08:05] So everyone who's doing the cleanse with us will get this nice little package with everything that they need in, uh, in the box arriving at their doorstep. Will do an intake together so that we can determine what's happening with the doshas. and see if there's anything that's not going to work within the typical protocol.
[00:08:31] See if we need to switch anything up, see if possibly there's some other herbs that might be an extra support depending on what's going on. So, um, all of that is ideally, uh, before you go through the cleanse.
[00:08:49] that makes. . Yeah. So can you say more about, because, so this is broadcasting on. my YouTube channel, which I suspect that folks there have like some probably already sense of like what the doshas are. I've covered it on the science of Light podcast before, but I'm also broadcasting on this, this on my like personal Facebook page and I know there are plenty of people there who might be curious about cleansing, maybe have done like some forms of cleanse or thought about doing like a juice fast or something.
[00:09:15] So can you say more about, this is not a juice fast by the way. Just go ahead and get that like caveat out before we talk about something else. But can you say more about. the doshas.
[00:09:28] Yeah, so I mean this, this kind of takes us back to the fundamentals of Ayurveda. So Ayurveda views everything in the universe as being a manifestation of the five elements, and luckily I was just working with a.
[00:09:49] That's handy.
[00:09:50] And it's right here behind me. So we have space, air, fire, water, and earth. Is that backwards to you
[00:10:01] No, it's right. It's fine.
[00:10:03] Oh, um, these are five elements in Ayurveda and, you know, we come out of Sania philosophy just as yoga does. And so reviewing everything as, as interacting with one another. So when. Space and air interact together. We call that Vata, fire and water interact together. We call it pizza and water and earth interact together.
[00:10:32] We call this and so I think that these are kind of buzzwords out, especially in the yoga community at this. These at this moment in time, what's your dosha? Well, everyone has all three. We're all manifestation of all five elements. So we all have all three doses in some permutation, and so we need to understand our particular makeup so that we can make choices that keep us in alignment with that makeup.
[00:11:07] So that's important to know what is essential to know. Is how you've gone out of whack. And so we need to know which element has gone awry because that is what we're trying to move out with the cleanse so that the body can quite naturally just harmonize back to its balance point, which is unique to each person.
[00:11:37] Okay. And so thank you for sharing that. I, and that like gives a good context and background to some research that I promised I would share. I sent out an email last week to folks about, I had four articles in the email that I promised I would share. So just know if you care, I will post the link later. But basically I found an article. And there's actually more than one, but I only have cited one. Um, about how prakriti like you were mentioning, our natural, uh, state that we wanna get back to. There are distinct, there are studies done about on this in India, um, and they would compare people who live in a similar area eat similar diets.
[00:12:21] Like they had all these controls on the study and they found based on these people's gut microbiome, that when doing a dosha assessment to find out what their prakriti is or their, their normal, natural, like inherent makeup of the doshas was linked in a quantifiable way to gut microbiome. And so I can share that research.
[00:12:47] in the comments for anybody that cares or, um, I'm planning to also post this as a podcast episode later for people that wanna catch the replay that aren't like friends with me on Facebook or whatever. Um, so I can share the link to that, but I just thought that was like fascinating, mind blowing that like, Prakriti is real.
[00:13:04] I sent it out in an email and I was science, like microbiome. That leads well into talking about also, um, some other studies that I shared. That one's just kind of foundational, like the doshas are not just made up, like there's actual research out there now to prove that there are different people show, like people have natural tendencies of their gut microbiome and that shows.
[00:13:32] in the doshas there's like links. And so for example, that leads well into talking about, well, does the cleanse affect our gut microbiome in any meaningful way? Like, does what, what is going on there? Um, and so, um, let me think of how I wanna like phrase this. Can you talk more about. Ayurveda's focus on digestion because basically I have a study that talks about how what you eat and whether or not you digest it well, it impacts your gut microbiome.
[00:14:09] And then in the same study it talks about how Ayurveda places this big emphasis on digestion. So can you say a little bit more about that?
[00:14:17] Yeah, I'd love to. This speaks to, um, my heart, not only as an Ayurvedic practitioner, but also as a dietician. Cause both worlds are very, very concerned with digestion. In Ayurveda, we actually say that you are not what you eat, you are what you digest.
[00:14:37] That's right.
[00:14:38] So it, it ups the ante from, from the world of diet dietetics, which says you are what you eat. So, um, there is, in my mind, it kind of moves back and forth like when I'm working with people. Do I care? Do I care more about balancing their doshas or do I care more about balancing their agni or their digestion? We call agni fire. Um, because a strong will balance your doshas and so it's, it's an interplay between the two, I guess is what I'm trying to communicate.
[00:15:26] there's the utmost importance in keeping your digestion optimized
[00:15:32] and balancing your dosha two main priorities.
[00:15:37] Right. So we're at this time of year, at least, where I live, like peak Kapha season.
[00:15:45] like snowing outside my house right now. It's been flurrying all day. Yeah. . And so, um, none of it's sticking, but anyway, it's just, it's like cold. And so that I, this is where I'm like, this is where I need you, because I know a lot about yoga and yoga philosophy and a decent amount of Ayurveda, but not nearly as much.
[00:16:04] I don't wanna misspeak. So from my perspective, I'm. Kapha season leads to a, a buildup of Ama right? Like to my in, I guess any, any imbalance could, right? Is that, I mean, I don't know. Um, but my analogy is like Kapha season, because Kapha is earth and water. It's like adding too much fuel onto the fire that it kind of smothers it out.
[00:16:31] That's the way I think of it. Um, so could you say a little bit more about Ama for one thing and how that relates to Agni
[00:16:41] So Amma is anything that you take in on any level. Through the mouth, through any of the senses, the mind, anything. Anything that you take in that you do not properly digest, leaves, amma leaves, leaves a residue behind so you're not clean and a properly functioning me has more capacity to kick that stuff out. that's the relationship there. If the ame, if the digestion is optimal, it's gonna, it's gonna really do a lot to clear as much of that out as it can seasonally. It's never gonna be able to clear everything. For most of us. That's why we cleanse. But it, the digestion does do a lot to, um, to move the ahma out.
[00:17:42] And the ahma can be associated with any dos. So Kaa is, KAA is easy to read because it is like heavy mucusy, very tangible. Uh, you can see it when it leaves the body type of Alma, but, but Pitta and Vata also have their own distinct varieties of, of Alma as well.
[00:18:07] Yeah. And so I just wanna say also it made me think related to going down the Ayurveda rabbit hole, if that's like something that you've wanted to do. Uh, you're gonna get comfortable with poop talk . So maybe right now is not like the venue for talk, but it, it is like, I feel like when you have an intake with an Ayurvedic practitioner, the conversation of how are you pooping is going to come up.
[00:18:32] Oh yeah. During the, I'll be texting you every day asking about your poop and on the portal, I dunno if you saw that yet, but you know, there's a whole section on, here's this chart. You can follow this chart for your bowel movements or this chart. Yeah, it's a, you know, the way that we see it is that it's a message that your body is trying to communicate with you.
[00:18:56] So we need to learn to pay attention.
[00:18:59] Well, I feel like that's, I don't know. It might be weird at first for some people. I grew up in a family of like, uh, my granddad was like a pathologist, so. None of us are squeamish. Pretty much like there was no conversation off the table, even at dinnertime. And so for me, I'm like, not squeamish at all, but for some people that are a little bit squeamish at first, it might be kind of weird, but I think, I don't know.
[00:19:25] It's like I can notice myself, I'm like, oh. I can see like when Pitta gets out of balance or something, because the way my digestive SY system functions and, uh, a large part of that is elimination. And so anyway, I don't know. I feel like it's, it's beneficial for anybody to learn because it shouldn't be like a bad experience in my opinion.
[00:19:47] And if it is, there's probably some problem going on, which is where Ayurveda could help. Um, but so back to the Ahma thing, because I'm like, I promised I would share research.
[00:19:59] So in one of the articles I shared, um, that was titled The Microbiome in Health and Disease from the perspective of Modern MA Medicine and Ayurveda, it had a lot of like bullet points and one of them was related to Ahma and leaky gut syndrome. Um, and so I guess like what I am kind of asking you, like from your perspective as a dietician, from what you know there, can you say more about, um, Perhaps leaky gut, perhaps like how this residue might show up in our digestive tracts and how the cleanse helps with that.
[00:20:41] Well, the, this particular cleanse is unique from other cleanses that I've studied and that it's an actual flush to the GI tract. So it's not just a period of time where we're only putting clean things in and taking herbs that are clean. But, um, We're going to actually move things out of the body through the GI tract. So there is an herb that will take, it's actually a fruit. It's actually not even an herb. Tri is, um, a mixture of three fruits. So it's very gentle, but it moves through the GI tract like a little broom, and it just goes through sweeping out any residue. That's been left behind. And so you'll notice a change in your bowel movements just with the tri, the, the dose of gh.
[00:21:47] So there's several doses of Ghee that we take, um, during the cleanse that also and its own way, flushes through not so much groomy and sweeping, but more whooshing in a way. And then, um, the end of the cleanse, the, the gold standard, which I will prepare everyone for is to, is an enema to two enemas. We can get around it if that's a, a deal breaker.
[00:22:22] Um, we can still make the cleanse completely effective. Um, but there's a, a flush obviously to the colon with an en.
[00:22:34] Yeah. Okay. So I'm with it, but I've also done several cleanses before that didn't involve that. So I can see why people might be hung up on that. Like, don't go all in too much if it's gonna keep you from doing it. I agree with the. At, but I also, in that same article was reading, so there are some herbs as well that come in the kit that go in the, it's called a basti right?
[00:22:55] And so this, um, this article I was shared was talking about how the herbs function as prebiotics and are better absorbed into your colon, which is where most of your gut microbiome resides. Um, because when you take probiotics or prebiotics through like eating them, they have to go through your stomach acid.
[00:23:23] And when you take them the other way, you're actually more likely to get them. So do you wanna say more about that or validate that or give your opinion or.
[00:23:32] Yeah. Yeah. I get to lean into my dietetic self on this one because this was a huge topic in that training because, uh, when I did my dietetics training, the whole, that was the explosion of the whole. Probiotic prebiotic era and it scientifically is not sound.
[00:23:54] Taking them orally.
[00:23:56] Taking them by mouth because exactly what you just explained. There's, they're going to die in the stomach. And so expecting whatever dosage you're taking by mouth to make it all the way through that journey. It's asking a lot. However, putting the prebiotic probiotic directly to where you want it to live, delivering it right to its home, it's a no-brainer.
[00:24:33] So I've been telling people for decades who've needed prebiotic probiotic therapy to do that. . Now, interestingly, I'm gonna grow some people out here, but, um, in the di the world of dietetics and, and modern medicine in the last decade, someone came up with a fecal transplant.
[00:24:58] Yeah, I've heard of that.
[00:25:00] And so it's the exact same theory. That they take, uh, healthy gut bacteria from one and transplant it to another so that it can repopulate the colon. To me, I'd rather just put herbs
[00:25:18] Yeah. Right.
[00:25:19] it and call it a day.
[00:25:21] Yeah. Well, so there's something to that like, so my pathophysiology professor in college who kind of introduced me to this whole world of gut microbiome and we've let read lots of research and books about it, actually was gonna share the book because if people really wanna go down the rabbit hole of gut microbiome and health, um, that book is a good reference.
[00:25:42] But anyway, so this professor. Sent off a poop sample to some lab that would test it and tell you like what you should be eating based on your microbiome, because that's how they assess it is through a fecal sample. And so I guess that was also an option that if you're experience through this lab, that if you're experiencing, um, symptoms that we might call a dosha imbalance, but symptoms of disease like eczema could be one of them.
[00:26:11] Or, um, Like other symptoms of like candida overgrowth, things like that, yeast, um, you could do the fecal transplant, but I'm with you on that. Why do all
[00:26:22] Yeah. So now that I've fully grossed everyone else, I do wanna dial it back to the transformation that happens within this cleanse because those things that you're speaking out, I have seen and helped people go through a protocol that reverses those things. Eczema,
[00:26:41] joint joint pain. I had a woman two weeks ago who, um, came into the cleanse and. Wasn't able to run. She's a runner, and her joint pain was so bad she wasn't able to run. And within the time period of the 10 day cleanse, we were able to erase her joint pain. Um, gut problems, bloating, swelling, burping, this type of thing can be rectified. Sleep, anxiety, that type of thing can be rectified. So
[00:27:18] sounds crazy to people who have never done some kind of lifestyle change like this, so that's why I'm like, really, like I'm bringing the research y'all, because I know there are people out there that are like, That's woowoo nonsense. Like that's not really a thing, but it is. So you said like joint. Um, and that's this other study that I really wanted to get to.
[00:27:39] So I'm glad they're coming up naturally in conversation. Um, because somebody on the last live asked specifically about how the cleanse or gut health in general could affect hormones. And I was like, I don't know how to say it in a scientifically accurate way, but I know from experience that it's true because in my own experience it was like how I was able to get pregnant after a time of infertility and stuff.
[00:28:04] And so I'm like, I know. , there's something to that. But one of the things in this study I shared is very dense, very like, I don't recommend reading it if you don't have like a huge academic background because there's a lot of big words and like stuff. Um, but basically it was talking about. The having a healthy gut microbiome is proven via, via this meta-analysis of lots of studies, um, that to mediate the occurrence of certain diseases, specifically via pathways of, um, hormones, mostly estrogen.
[00:28:42] So this mostly applies to people who are gonna, you know, women, whatever females. , but then it also talked about inflammation. Immunity. So can you say more about inflammation, because I think that's in my, you know, I suspect the joint pain was by inflammation. So could you say more about that? Like maybe from an Ayurvedic perspective or how the cleanse helps with inflammation stuff?
[00:29:06] Yeah, that's, uh, that's an easy one. That's just, I could, yeah. That's going to, that's gonna, inflammation moves out so easily with this cleanse because of the oils, because of the foods, because of the protocols, inflammation. It's not a thing.
[00:29:30] Right. So maybe this is putting you on the spot a little bit, but could you say more from like, From your put on your dietician hat and talk about , um, inflammation from the diet. Maybe I'd be happy to say more about how inflammation and the immune system work together. Cause I'm like pretty highly trained on that.
[00:29:53] But could you say more about diet and inflammation and like, you know, maybe how we perhaps eat on a regular basis might cause more inflammation or something you.
[00:30:03] Um, so in Ayurveda, you know, we would put inflammation, flames into a Pitta type of category. So, so we'd be dealing with high Pitta. Um, and it's really, I, I think it's so straightforward in Ayurveda that I just, uh, I'm almost at a loss for what to say because it, it honestly, um, does not present a problem at, at all during this cleanse that the inflammation typically moves out very, very quickly as far as how it accumulates.
[00:30:42] It's, it's an overtime type of thing where, um, whatever you're putting into the body is a fiery type of trigger that you are not able to counterbalance naturally. So it accumulates in the body and in, in Ayurveda we say that your dos will accumulate. Wherever you have a weakness, and so wherever you're accumulating your inflammation is, is information for you and your future, uh, in your own wellness care as to where your weak space is.
[00:31:30] right? So I'm thinking for the inflammation thing, it's funny that you say she was a runner. Runners are like Pitta people, in my opinion. All these hot yogis, self-proclaimed type A personalities, um, you know, people that like a lot of spicy foods. Those are all like, like Pitta people, I think, just from my experience.
[00:31:53] Right. Um, so yeah, I guess I just like wanted to touch on that, that like, I think a lot of people don't have a. A good understanding of how inflammation impacts the immune system and the, the presence of disease in the body. So basically inflammation is a response for a pathogen or an injury, right? Like it's inflammation is our immune system.
[00:32:23] At work, like when you get sick or you get a scrape or something, your body sends like white blood cells inflammation response there, which is useful. . But when you're just constantly being attacked for lack of l lack of better word, by like you know, food that creates inflammation or like being hard on your body, things like that, and you're not giving adequate time to rest or give your digestive system a break, which is kind of what this cleanse is, then you're gonna over accumulate inflammation, which is gonna lead to more symptoms of disease that your body would've easily been able to handle if it wasn't overloaded.
[00:33:03] Is my take on it. So basically this study that I shared also, it's like main finding was that, um, let me just read it. So it says, reer researchers have found that the gut microbiome and its metabolites are involved in development of diseases and affect the levels of sex hormones. In addition, the effects of gut microbiome and its metabol.
[00:33:33] on inflammation. Immunity also plays a, plays crucial roles in pathogenesis or like making of these sex hormone related disorders. So it was talking about things like P C O S P M O P, which is like postmenopausal osteoarthritis stuff. So basically eating better and helping your digestive system could be the answer.
[00:33:56] And this one was not related to ate at all. To lots of diseases. I just wanted to like make that clear to folks because I know a lot of people, I'm sharing this on my personal Facebook, if you made it this far, congrats. But, um, don't believe or want to believe the link between our lifestyle and our outcomes, you
[00:34:22] So, last thing I wanna ask you. What is the day in the life of a cleanse like? So like you mentioned, it may not be practical to go on this like spa like retreat to cleanse your gut and your being, but what, how can a person integrate this in their daily life? Like, what does that look like at home?
[00:34:41] Um, at home it's hard to describe a day in the life because the days vary. The protocol varies day to day. Um, but we want to look at. Doing the cleanse when we don't have too many temptations that we can't handle. So we don't want to do the cleanse on our birthday, this type of thing. We want to be able to, um, easily stick to the food restrictions.
[00:35:16] Um, we want to have. Space in the day, about 30 minutes for self-care each day. And we want to be able to create a, a mindset during those 10 days that is spa-like. So not that mindset of, um, going through everything on the checklist. . But, um, even though we're at home and, you know, everything's in front of us, just letting things kind of slide and favoring a more restful way of being.
[00:36:03] Other than that we can, um, We can move through life at home and still get the benefits of bringing balance to the doses and optimizing the.
[00:36:20] Yeah, I like that. And like, . So first thing I wanna say is like, people can still do this and like, go to work, come home, take care of the kids. You can, like, there's food to eat. So it's not like you're just gonna drink your juice like it's some juice fast and watch your family eat or something. Um, my family's probably just going to eat kitchari with me, , you know, like cuz I cook for them.
[00:36:41] And so, um, anyway, like my kids, they've had kitchari before. . And so anyway, also, if it sounds like a big commitment to have 30 minutes a day for self-care because I get it, like I have a one and three year old and at some points that sounds like a lot, especially like when my kid was a little younger. Um, my, my youngest, I was like, there's no time.
[00:37:06] But I think also it's like if you don't already have a 30 minute per day self-care practice, what a better time to start. You know what I mean? 30 minutes isn't actually that much to ask in my opinion. Get up 30 minutes earlier or do it instead of scrolling for 30 minutes at night. You know, like, I dunno, this is my thoughts.
[00:37:26] Um, but so could you say a little bit more about like, eating the kitchari is it like breakfast, lunch, and dinner? Like, I know you said before you eat to your hunger level, so could you say more about what that looks like?
[00:37:40] Yeah, so as you said, this is not a restrictive fast. And that you're going to be hungry. You absolutely should not allow yourself to walk around hungry. So it's, um, different than an Ayurvedic lifestyle day where we try to eat on rhythm. This is our call in response. So you're hungry, you eat, you're not hungry, even if it's.
[00:38:14] Lunchtime and you always eat at noon, you're not hungry, you don't eat. So it is, it's a matter of tuning into to what your body's got going on because we're asking a lot of the digestion in this cleanse. The protocol looks quite simple, but the body responds and, um, it will ask you for, for what it needs.
[00:38:38] So if that's food, you give it, and if it's rest, you give it.
[00:38:43] That's powerful too, because I think a lot of times we might get like we eat because we're craving something and if you're only eating the same thing, you're probably not gonna crave it after a couple days. I don't know. at least like, yeah.
[00:38:57] I love this because, um, one of the big ahas for a lot of people is like, oh my gosh, I eat cause X, Y, Z
[00:39:09] and not cause I need to nourish. body.
[00:39:14] I just think that's a really powerful mindset around food because, um, like I'm not qualified, I don't give people diet advice, but if like a yoga therapy client, for example, um, seems to have some issues. I am qualified to tell people to like try mindful eating. Right, and it sounds like that's what this is like really enjoying your food, starting that digestion process in the mouth because it does, your saliva is a digestive juice, so, You know, starting that mindfulness with chewing well and really sensing your food and sensing while you eat it, and only responding to those hunger cues rather than, actually, this is also a thing that when you eat a lot of sugar, your body craves it more because of your microbiome.
[00:39:59] Like, there's science to back that up too. So anyway, I don't know. I highly recommend it for, for people, for lots of reason.
[00:40:08] Yeah. And I haven't gotten any questions from anyone in your community by email or text, and I know I put that information out there. So, um, if anyone has any further questions, I'm happy to, um, chat and clarify.
[00:40:26] the comments I don't think I have either. The only one I think I've gotten is like, okay, can we get the stuff of the kit like elsewhere? , you know, and like, yes, I guess. But I personally, like there are two grocery stores where I live and neither of them sell, sell the right kind of mung beans, so that's annoying.
[00:40:47] I'm sure I could go to a specialty store and find them, but they only have like regular lentils or like some, so anyway, like yes, you can procure those stuff on your own. But can you say more about what else comes with the, when you sign. $350 with the special group rate discount if you're doing it with us.
[00:41:04] Um, but can you say more? It's not just stuff you're getting, so can you just drive that point home a little bit?
[00:41:10] Yeah, so that's unfortunate to to hear. There's a misconception. The, um, the cost is based on the kit alone. So, yeah, of course you can go buy your own stuff,
[00:41:25] Um, but the cleanse is a guided Ayurvedic experience. So you also get the, the intake where we determine your doshas we will, um, excuse me, I have a child.
[00:41:45] No. So sorry. Um, juggling over here, so I understand, uh, if you're juggling during the cleanse, um, single mom, three elementary aged children, it's still doable.
[00:41:59] Yeah. They're, they'll still be there while care of yourself. Yep.
[00:42:04] Um, so we'll do the intake. So it's, it's a, uh, aggravated consultation at the beginning of the cleanse, which. I obviously believe has tremendous value in.
[00:42:19] More than a online dosha quiz because I know some people are like, I know my dosha. It's more than that,
[00:42:25] you know?
[00:42:26] Um, so, so there is that. And then, um, obviously with the kit, with all of the things in it. Um, and I'll post a picture of what that is below this, um, this talk, you know, so you can see what's in there. Um, and then my intention is to empower people to continue this as a lifestyle. And so my , you know, it is my heart that people do this cleanse as it's intended to be done, which is regularly.
[00:43:01] And so you get lifetime access to the educational materials. Around what's coming in the cleanse, exactly what it is, their ingredients, how to use them, how to continue to do the cleanse. So you choose to do it again next fall, and you're like, wait, what now? So you go back into the portal, you have the entire protocol.
[00:43:26] It's, uh, and you've seen, so you've already logged in. So that is the, the final piece as to answer the question as to what you get. , and so maybe you could explain a little bit about the portal in your words.
[00:43:42] the portal's cool. So it's been a minute since I've logged in. I logged into it a couple weeks ago and I was like, I will dive into all of the lessons when I get there. I'm like across that bridge when I come to it kind of person. But there are lessons for each individual, like. Thing that you do, like tongue scraping, basti
[00:44:01] I haven't watched those yet, but what I did watch, I looked through the booklet, which is like, that alone is super helpful. The booklet that just, you can print it out and then you never know. You're never lost about like, oh, what do I do today? Or like, why do I do this part? What is the intention? But then also, I really liked how you start off with like, set your intentions, set the vibe for, um, the cleanse, which, because it's more than just.
[00:44:27] I don't know. I just wanna, I keep comparing it to like a juice fast, but I see people doing juice fast and I don't know, just my take on that is like, like I had a stomach bug recently and , um, like my kid, the kid's stomach bug and it's like I noticed, okay, my gut cleared out because I wasn't eating for several days.
[00:44:48] But it's not like I addressed anything. Like when I went back to eating after the stomach bug, that's my take on a juice fast. This like includes like, , you're not just gonna clear out the stuff. You're also gonna do better and have, anyway, so the, the portal's super useful. Also for folks that join our group, there is a community section, which is what I mean, my Yogi scopes membership is around astrology.
[00:45:14] There's also, there's this lovely community in there, but the people that. So you can have direct access to Donna, but you can also have access to this community of people who will be doing it at the same time, which is wonderful for accountability. And you can come to my yoga classes that are online for free for the month.
[00:45:33] Yeah. Including.
[00:45:34] did neglect to say that um, anyone who's doing the cleanse has, um, direct access to me via text for the 10 days. So anything that comes up, um, I'm
[00:45:50] That's huge.
[00:45:51] which is, yeah. So I hope that, uh, that is recognized as being valuable.
[00:45:59] highly supported
[00:46:01] Yeah, I love. . So any final thoughts you wanna leave us?
[00:46:11] Um, I just want to reiterate that, uh, that it truly is my wish for everyone to. embrace Ayurveda, it's, it's a huge blessing to have this worldview and to understand yourself to this depth cause it's, um, a very intimate way of living with yourself. You, you learn to decipher these messages that your body is sending you, and you learned how to respond.
[00:46:45] To those me messages to optimize your own wellness mind body.
[00:46:52] I love it. Yeah. That's the whole point. That's why I even tell people in my like group yoga classes that I teach in person, I. . That's the point is to know yourself and have the tools to address what comes up, which sounds crazy to people who are not very aware of their bodies or their beings yet. But once you are, it's like there's no going back.
[00:47:13] It's a Yeah. So anyway, thanks for joining us. Thanks for anybody that caught the replay. You can always comment on the Facebook and YouTube video. Um, if you're, I'm posting this as a podcast as well, so if you listen to the podcast, go find my Facebook page or YouTube or whatever comment we'll be around last day to sign up for this round is March 17th, if you want the group deal, um, and the group benefits, or you can always sign up with Donna, I think like anytime.
[00:47:45] you just don't get the group discount and the other stuff. So yeah,
[00:47:51] Very good.
[00:47:51] So that's a wrap folks. I hope you learned something. And if you do want to join us for the group cleanse, if you're listening to this before. Thursday, March 17th, or we will be running this again in the fall, in. I think it's like late, mid to late September for Navara. It'll be around the fall Equinox. Um,
[00:48:12] We will be doing, I will be doing another ironic cleanse. And if you want the same kind of deal where Donna can be your eyes. Vedic practitioner. I can be supplying the Vedic astrology piece. And community piece and you'll have the direct one-on-one support and intake through Donna. Either this time, if you signed it before March 17th or next time.
[00:48:30] Um, If you need support around that, want to do this on your own. The link to get the kit at the group discount will be in the show notes and just know that that group discount expires on. March 17th. so thanks for being here please remember to keep your feet on the ground you're heading the stars and stay in the light until next time friends take care